tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post1748971765602372348..comments2019-08-14T08:05:44.199-05:00Comments on Bluebird's Classroom: My Calculator Rant, or My Kids Can't Do Math Without OneUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-34684827539634782052010-04-23T21:49:37.721-05:002010-04-23T21:49:37.721-05:00You should live in our state where they are not al...You should live in our state where they are not allowed to use a calculator on the math test - yet students are given calculators right after they learn their multiplication tables in 2nd grade. The kids have no clue how to even punch in numbers or set up complex problems. My science standards are not as math based - except we have graphs, and the students have no clue how to read and interpret a graph. Of course, our standards are very aptly named here - SOL (standards of learning). If you don't know the alternate meaning, ask a military brat like myself.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17278682108996580204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-15496612847506215362010-04-13T17:43:59.305-05:002010-04-13T17:43:59.305-05:00I obviously didn't make myself clear. I don&#...I obviously didn't make myself clear. I don't teach math. I teach science. I find it silly that there is an inconsistency in the rules - that for the math test kids can use a calculator but for science they cannot. The math test, not the science test, is the test that should, in theory, tell you whether or not they can do math. But they're using a calculator. The science test should be, and does for the most part, test science. The decree should be the same for both and frankly, I'd rather it was no calculator for both...Mrs. Bluebirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10283080212189118357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-91355373612975198022010-04-13T16:16:59.662-05:002010-04-13T16:16:59.662-05:00Hold on... why is the decree that no calculators a...Hold on... why is the decree that no calculators are allowed stupid, when that very rule is exactly what is letting you know they can't do math? That stupid decree seems to be performing a very vital role here - namely, it's telling you that those kids were never taught properly.<br /><br />The problem is not that the Very Big Deal Government Mandated Science Test requires math without a calculator. The problem is that the kids have never been taught math without a calculator.Independent Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14559237565237736636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-78702677219739116712010-04-12T11:44:42.428-05:002010-04-12T11:44:42.428-05:00I am a Middle School special ed teacher. I agree w...I am a Middle School special ed teacher. I agree with you 100%. My kids, who have a hard time subtracting, don't stand a chance.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00608142194253040556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-9717618499197973362010-04-11T13:30:59.663-05:002010-04-11T13:30:59.663-05:00I agree that the children should be doing their ma...I agree that the children should be doing their math without calculators up until Trig.Kirstenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11617762959361017043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-81303190581652189532010-04-11T12:44:29.416-05:002010-04-11T12:44:29.416-05:00I don't see much utility in manually calculati...I don't see much utility in manually calculating square roots, but other than that, I cannot for the life of me figure out why calculators are needed in math classes before Algebra 2.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-6930178282957529112010-04-10T21:17:35.749-05:002010-04-10T21:17:35.749-05:00Speak it, Mrs. Bluebird. I have 153 standards to ...Speak it, Mrs. Bluebird. I have 153 standards to teach in Math alone (hello, bureaucracy!) and who, in his right mind thinks a 5th grader needs to learn how to find the area of a circle if he or she can't multiply? Since multiplication facts aren't one of those standards, we are caught between a rock and a hard place. We're trying so hard to "become schools of excellence" we aren't willing to do anything well. We're cramming things into young minds that aren't ready for them. Our second graders are supposed to know their multiplication facts, when they can't add or subtract with regrouping. the more we push, the farther behind we get.teachergirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05655615013367705872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-91383712680630672032010-04-10T11:15:11.367-05:002010-04-10T11:15:11.367-05:00@Sneaker - The harm is that the kids become so dep...@Sneaker - The harm is that the kids become so dependent on the tech, they don't know how to do it themselves. The tech becomes a "magic box" where you punch stuff in, and a number comes out, and you assume it's right with no understanding of what it means.<br /><br />@Bluebird - Have you tried teaching them to count by multiples, and use their fingers to keep track of the numbers? I require all my math students (MS in the past, HS now) to work w/o calculators, and teach this trick to the ones who can't handle doing the basics in their heads. (if you want specific details on this, let me know! It's fast, and easy for the kids to pick up on, and reinforces the concepts behind mult and div.)<br /><br />Sorry for any typos/shorthand - I'm nursing my daughter, so typing one-handed!Elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727049381343668364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15193762.post-54232990757333157612010-04-10T02:57:01.143-05:002010-04-10T02:57:01.143-05:00I get the value of knowing math facts and being ab...I get the value of knowing math facts and being able to do mental math and solve problems, however in the real world, people have access to calculators. They can even whip out a cell phone and use apps to figure stuff out. It's not like we should rely on technology as a crutch but I don't see the harm in being able to use a calculator as a tool during the test. You still have to have the knowledge to figure out what numbers you need and to punch them in correctly with the correct operation in order to get the right answer...Sneaker Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11629970985456274562noreply@blogger.com